Analena Fuchs is an Intuitive Human Design & Gene Keys Guide and creator of the Intuitive Human Design Teacher Training Certification. She helps conscious leaders stop people-pleasing and step into their power using her unique holistic Human Design approach. As host of the True Sidereal Summit and a 3+ year podcast veteran, Analena is a leading voice in the human design space, teaching practitioners to read charts as complete stories rather than isolated elements.
In this two-part, truth-talking conversation, Kylie Patchett and Queen of True Sidereal Human Design Analena Fuchs crack open Human Design as a system of sovereignty and self-trust.
Analena shares her journey from corporate burnout to intuitive coach, the golden thread that led her to Human Design, and the moment she realised she was never meant to fit into anyone else’s formula. Together they explore how trusting your design becomes a permission slip to do business your way.
You’ll hear:
- How to stop using your chart as a cage and start using it as a compass
- The difference between tropical and True Sidereal Human Design (and why it’s blowing minds)
- Why self-trust is the real strategy
- The liberation that happens when you drop the “one right way” narrative
- The link between the 64 Gates, the Gene Keys, and your unique genius codes
- Why your body knows before your brain does
Part 1: Analena’s personal awakening, her transition from corporate to coaching, and how Human Design gave her language for her multi-passionate magic.
Part 2: The True Sidereal shift, breaking free from old paradigms, and what it really means to live your design in the new era.
Also mentioned in this episode:
- Analena’s Intuitive Human Design and Gene Key Certification
- Video – How to Grab Your True Sidereal Chart using the Midpoint Calculations of Athen Chimenti and Genetic Matrix
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S6E8 - The Truth About Human Design: Permission, Power & the New Paradigm with Analena Fuchs - Part 1/2
[00:00:00] Welcome to Wild and finally fucking Free the show for disruptors, rebels, and revolutionaries who know they're here to change the damn world. I'm Kylie Patchett, your voice and visibility catalyst, and here we dive into unapologetic truth, magnetic messaging and visibility. That actually feels good. In your body, your bones, and your business.
We share the stories of the out of the box, neuro sparkly, creative, witchy, wild ones, rewriting how we live, love, learn, and lead. This isn't about being louder, it's about being rooted, resonant, and regulated, so you can be real raw and ready to raw. If you're done, contorting yourself to fit the mold and you're ready to own your voice, your power, and your place in the revolution, welcome home.
Let's dive in.
[00:01:00] Hello there. Dear Listener, this is our first guest episode for this season. Big juicy interview with the beautiful Analena Fuchs. Analena is a True Sidereal human design and gene key expert an intuitive business coach, and her wisdom and to hang out with her was such a gift, and I know you will so enjoy this. So let's dive in to part one.
Kylie Patchett: Hello everybody. This is very exciting for me because I was just saying to our beautiful guests that this is the first interview I've done for quite a number of months. So today I'm super excited because I am talking to human design extraordinaire, coach queen of, I wanna say queen, of opening my eyes to a different way of looking at human design.
Kylie Patchett: Analena Fuchs Hello, Analena how are you? I love it. Thank you for this beautiful introduction. I'm so happy to be here with you, Kylie. So good. We have got so much to talk about. So I, I [00:02:00] wanna like dive in straight away. I wanna kind of start with you, like, we'll get to the different lens through which we are looking at human design and talk about the differences of the charts.
Kylie Patchett: But I really wanna hear like how, what was your personal journey into the world of human design? Because I know you didn't start there, like you were doing other forms of coaching, et cetera. So tell us, tell us about the golden thread that led you here. Yeah, let me keep it, because I can go on and on about this, so, oh, go on.
Analena Fuchs: No, let me start here. I, well, you know, I went to college, I did the thing business. I worked in corporate in small companies, big companies, and I just never felt like that's for me. I was just like, but I, I thought there's something wrong with me. Right. Or it's like, is this gonna be so boring until retirement?
Analena Fuchs: I mean, that cannot be it, you know? Yeah, no, right. Hang on. Exactly. And I think already [00:03:00] five years after college, I wanna say I started to have an interest for coaching and especially 'cause I moved to America. I'm originally from Germany. Yeah. I had a little bit of a culture shock and the food here and I was like, what's going on?
Analena Fuchs: And everybody's just working and working and yeah, I think I can help people here. So it was more as a hobby at the time. And then when I really. Went more into, it was after a little bit before already, I think after my daughter was born in 2012, and then especially after, because I went through a, I wanna say life crisis myself.
Analena Fuchs: Lots of challenges really finding myself. And I first got a corporate job because I also was in a position where I had to take financially care of myself because I went through a divorce and everything. Yes. So you cannot just like, oh, I have a hobby and do whatever. Right. It also had to bring in money, but I started doing that last corporate job.
Analena Fuchs: I was there for five years. [00:04:00] I really leaned into this passion of being in more contact with people, because in HR I realized there was one blessing in corporate that I love to talk to people. And I started to notice of how much. Impact it creative when people talk to me. They came for some personal stuff because I was the HR person at the time.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. And they often came back and later thanked me, like, wow, thank you so much for talking to me and now I did this and this. Like, wow, this is cool. And I, yeah. Yeah. Didn't feel like I did much, you know? So I started to take courses when I was bored in my corporate job, and eventually I got my first coaching certification.
Analena Fuchs: It was first health coaching, and it was the first time where I was just happy. I was so lit up, you know? It was just fun. And I started to meet a lot of cool people because we had some events, some were online, some were in person. And then I got some more certifications and I started to share [00:05:00] at my corporate job, Hey, I'm a coach now here's my business card.
Analena Fuchs: And I even gave it to my boss. That was probably a mistake, but, but I love it. 'cause it led you here. Exactly. No, and eventually, I mean, long story short is I got fired from the job. I honestly wanted to quit, but I probably would've waited way too long because of safety, security reasons. Right?
Analena Fuchs: We never ready. And why it was scary at the time. I was almost exactly seven years ago, August, 2018, I was very scared, but I felt a sense of freedom and I knew this was for me. So it wasn't easy. The first two years, literally, I tried to find myself. I had actually a lot of trauma myself to process.
Analena Fuchs: So I did a lot of. Inner healing, child work processing emotions. That was a huge blessing. And the whole coaching space really, really helped me a lot. It was an incredible support for me. I also did some therapy obviously years earlier, so it all has its place. And then in 2020, when the pandemic started, one of [00:06:00] my friends, we also met through the coaching.
Analena Fuchs: She was like, Hey, check this out. This is human design. Everybody in this course element, they're talking about it. And something happened when I saw this body graph and it was telling me, you can be multi-passionate and you're supposed to be different than everybody else. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yes. Mm.
Analena Fuchs: Because I was on this journey of trying to find answers outside of myself, and I invested a lot of money that I kind of put on credit cards. That's not always a smart way, but you know, hey, at least I had the option to do that. Yes. At the time. And it was very frustrating because nothing worked and I was almost at the point like.
Analena Fuchs: Am I cut for this? Mm. And it also didn't feel right because it wasn't my authentic way. I wasn't meant to create a business in a way that somebody else did. I really had to find my own way, and human design was really this access point for me where I realized I'm different. I'm meant to be different.
Analena Fuchs: It's good to be different, and I'm here to do things my way. So [00:07:00] yes, it was this next level of freedom. And then I never looked back. I right away I found my teacher. I started with Karen Parker. I got so excited and I right away, you know when something is meant for you. Yes. Like all the synchronicities I got invited to summits and collaborations and podcasts.
Analena Fuchs: I didn't even do anything. It was just because I was so lit up and it came very easy to me. This was this other thing. Even without studying, I felt I remembered that system or something was there. It's hard to explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I started to give readings very early on. I started to share with my clients.
Analena Fuchs: I started to teach very quickly 'cause I had always been a very passionate teacher. That's something that I read. I was already in high school that I was really good at teaching and it wasn't a, being a school teacher, I was more like human design was like, I'm here to teach that. But in my way also, I mean, at the time I [00:08:00] still figured that part out.
Analena Fuchs: But that was my first, that was all in 2020 and I finally felt like, yes, I can build a business. Yes. It's getting actually more fun and joyful and it's actually really, really helping people because helping, I saw transformation with people from the coaching. Definitely. Yeah. And I was actually also very confident in being a coach already.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. But when human design came into the equation, I started to feel this is a no brainer. Like you become unstoppable because it's so unique. To also my client. Yes. It's no longer, oh, there's this one way coaching process I'm gonna take my client through. So it really opened my perspective also of how I approach coaching.
Kylie Patchett: So cool. It's so, there's so many threads I wanna pull here. I, I feel like when you were saying, you know, when people were talking to me, I made them feel better. That is like the perfect, and I know you talk about genius as well. Like, I, I talk a lot about genius. It's like [00:09:00] the things that are naturally our gifts, they always just feel like breathing.
Kylie Patchett: So like that, the whole phrase that you just said, I'm like, yeah, because this one of your geniuses. Like, and that's why it feels so easy. Um, and I just love, like, as you said, like when I saw the body graph, I have a jukebox in my brain that plays music 24 7 according to the soundtrack of whatever I'm talking about.
Kylie Patchett: And I heard this like, oh, like angel singing as you said that. So I feel like you, I, I feel like there's so much gold in using and I. I also feel like sometimes human design can be used as like a, a, just another set of rules. I think that that's like a dangerous place that people can put themselves in.
Kylie Patchett: It's like, oh, I'm a projector, therefore I have to do this and that type of thing. But mm-hmm I've never, I've never understood the whole concept of one size fits all. Anything, whether it's coaching or business or marketing or communication or whatever. It just [00:10:00] doesn't make sense to me. 'cause I'm like, like my original, original, original training is in genetics.
Kylie Patchett: Genetics. And I'm like, there is literally no other human on the planet unless you're an identical twin that has the same genetics as you. Like, they literally has never been you is never gonna be. So it never made sense to me. The one size fits all. And it's so funny when you talk about finding human design.
Kylie Patchett: I like, I heard about it, I was out of the coaching space from 2011 to 17, so I feel like I missed the big. Surge of like the early adopters. And I know it's, it's much older than that, but I feel like in coaching, like it wasn't really a thing when I left coaching and then it was really a thing when I came back.
Kylie Patchett: But even so, like when I first kind of came across human design looking at the tropical chart that most people will use, and I came up with this three five generator and some of it really resonated, but some of it really didn't. And I started to think, [00:11:00] well, maybe I don't know myself that well. So that was kind of a dangerous thing.
Kylie Patchett: But I'm curious too, when you started using human design, 'cause I, I hear the joy in your voice, right? It's like it became easy, I got invited to things. I wasn't thinking about it. Like it just all unfolded. And I feel like that is exactly what happens when you are just being you in your genius, not trying to do it any other way.
Kylie Patchett: So what sort of things, did that kind of period show you of the ways that you'd been trying to do business before that just were never gonna work for your individual energetics?
Analena Fuchs: Yeah, I mean, one of the biggest things was this confirmation that I'm here to trust myself. And I was always trying, oh, how do I have to write something so people are gonna buy with marketing or whatever process was being told, you have to follow.
Analena Fuchs: And of course it's also me. I was putting [00:12:00] other people on a pedestal or other people's processes. I was basically looking for answers outside of myself. And I always realized and not to discount working with mentors, I was also extremely helpful, but I often had the most success. When I just stopped listening to all of this and just did it my way.
Analena Fuchs: Yes. The mentors that really supported me the most is that helped me focus on what feels right to you. That's what I needed. Yes. I didn't need somebody to tell me like, this is how you should do it. This is how we dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And of course there is some expertise that I also learned also about messaging, but this is more like some technical stuff.
Analena Fuchs: If it doesn't feel like me, it's not gonna work if my, it's the energy behind everything. Right. And that was really the big shift. And one thing I actually wanna pick upon that you mentioned Yeah. Because that's, I'm really, really big on, I actually just taught a whole masterclass about it. Yeah.
Analena Fuchs: Just like before this conversation. Oh really? Yeah. So [00:13:00] the thing, the, the human design, it can also become sometimes limiting. Exactly. That's something. I quickly realized, because I'm very much like you Yeah. With this fitting into boxes has never resonated with me. Like I naturally see things from different perspectives.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, okay. This is telling me that I'm multi-passionate. That's normal for me as a manifesting generator. That's my tropical design. Human design. Yeah. But that doesn't mean if you are a generator, that you cannot be multi passionate. Right? Yes. But that's what, how it was being portrayed in the human design.
Analena Fuchs: So I saw actually a lot of shadows Yes. In the human design space, which by the way is not a bad thing because you know from the genies that the gift is in the shadow. Exactly. So it's, it's good action. They find it. But I saw everywhere people having excuses or people apologizing to me that because their projector, they shouldn't have reached out to me and asked me a question.
Analena Fuchs: And I was a little bit like, [00:14:00] uh. Oh dear. Like that's not what it means. And you know, people, and I think that's normal. We learn about something and just like me, you get really excited about it. But then we easily think we know the thing and then we start sharing it. And it's kind of like the post game.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Analena Fuchs: You know? And then people totally misunderstand it. And no, just because your projector has doesn't mean that you have to get invited by other people to eat a salad or whatever. Or to reach out to a person. Yeah. You know, it's actually very, very impractical. Human design only teaches here about major big life decisions.
Analena Fuchs: And then by the way, that applies to everybody. So I really learned that we are all of the chart and all of the types, we all have some characteristics. Yes. And this is only something I, I learned through my own experiment. I learned through working with clients and really going. Into the depth of the [00:15:00] system for years.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the types, it's just a surface level. Yes. That's what kind of pulls you in. Yes. And then what happens is this black or white thinking, I'm this, you're that, oh, I don't have this center defined nam crude. I wish I had this. Or one type is better than the other. That's all shadow consciousness.
Analena Fuchs: Right. Again, it's, it's a good thing, but that's not how we are using the system to grow and to expand and really live a life of alignment. However, when I say, when we are aware of that, this shadow playing out That helps us get in alignment because the misalignment has to happen so that we can become aware and then be more aligned.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. And this is why I'm actually very, very bold about speaking this, of how we really wanna use human design, right? Yes. Um. Not ever in a way to limit ourselves, not as something that's outside of yourself that's telling you what you cannot or cannot [00:16:00] do. Instead, it is simply something to remind you of how amazing you are.
Analena Fuchs: Yes, yes. Of how unique and how different you are in a beautiful way, and to help remembering or help that you trust yourself. Yeah. That you have the authority. You cannot control what other people do, but you can control how you respond in the moment. You can control the actions that you take or you don't take.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. And you can control if you have the courage to trust yourself and do the thing, even though it doesn't make sense,
Kylie Patchett: it's so, it's so funny to me. Not funny in a haha way, but funny in that weird like. Human design to me is a, and actually I feel like we need to reverse because for anyone who is listening that doesn't know what human design is, I'll get you to give like a, a little snapshot of, of what we're talking about.
Kylie Patchett: But for me, when, when I came across human design, it felt like such a permission slip really, [00:17:00] because even though I wasn't resonating with some of it, even understanding the, the system as a whole and the fact that there was so much individuality in every single person based on when they were born, then it was like, well, yeah, this is a, this is a map of individuality, but.
Kylie Patchett: You said it before yourself. And I have definitely done that in my business journey as well. Like I don't trust myself or doing like trusting myself actually feels scary because this wild woman inside of me, my authentic self is telling me to do something that my fear brain is like, no, you know? And so then externalizing, I'm going to look for an external mentor, an external this, an external that.
Kylie Patchett: And the thing that really attracted me when I came across you through our mutual friend Erin, was that you weren't talking about human design in absolutes. It's like if you are a three five, this is how you have to move through the world. Because I'm like. Just again, it doesn't make sense to me. And, and when you understand the whole system, like [00:18:00] the profile lines are like up here, like they're very big.
Kylie Patchett: Um, not big, but like, you know, the, the macro of it, but the micro of it, there's so many different individual characteristics that impact, you know, your flow, your energetics, your preferences and all of those things that, those profile lines are almost like, I, I don't know, but I hear people saying, oh, that's because I'm a five one.
Kylie Patchett: Or, that's because I'm like, ah, why do we have to? Yeah. And,
Analena Fuchs: and I think, look, I think we have all done it, even myself where we are like, oh, I'm this, and rather than saying something about me, I'm like, yeah, that's my four line. Yes. And I have now become more aware of it and I really placed some effort on no longer doing that because I feel like.
Analena Fuchs: We are over identifying with something outside of ourselves or, or it's almost like the people pleasing with like, and we need to justify, I'm [00:19:00] doing this because of my one line, rather than like, I, I freaking love to read and study
Kylie Patchett: Exactly. Like what, rather than like,
Analena Fuchs: because of my one line. So it's more in the healthy way for me.
Analena Fuchs: It's like, okay, let's say the one line energy I love to read and study. Yes. And I need my alone time and relationships. Yeah. Yes, yes. And I don't know about the one line and I'm realizing, oh, that's actually normal and be, without this knowledge, I would've tried to fix that about myself or would've told myself like, I shouldn't do that.
Analena Fuchs: Right.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah,
Analena Fuchs: I
Kylie Patchett: feel like the whole system is about, I ha I, I'm often talking to clients and my favorite thing to say is like, surrender to your magnificence. No one else's. There's no external surrender to your magnificence. And I feel like it's the same flavor of what we are talking about as well.
Kylie Patchett: It's like this system can be a system of self-understanding, self-awareness, self-mastery, maybe if you use that language. And [00:20:00] also it is really about coming back to who you are underneath the conditioning of everything. Um, before we go too deep down the rabbit hole though, I do wanna like zoom out and just mindful that not everyone on the planet, I said a human design.
Kylie Patchett: Oh yeah. Yeah. So can you give us a little, like, how would you introduce someone, a complete newbie, um, at like a 10-year-old level to what human design is?
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. So in a very simple way, human design is a little bit of a personality. Tool. Even though often people say it's not what it is, that helps you understand yourself better.
Analena Fuchs: It helps you understand how we are to flow through the world, how we manifest with the most ease. And most importantly, it reminds you of how you unique and wonderful you are. And now where's human design coming from? It's a synthesis of lots of other modalities or ancient wisdom like Kabbalah, the [00:21:00] ing, which is like thousands of years ago.
Analena Fuchs: Yes. The Hindu chakra system, astrology, also quantum physics. So what I really love, it blends the spiritual world and the science. Yeah. So for me it's a holistic thing because it blends the more feminine and the masculine into one, you know? And. So that's how, how I would describe it. And it really helps you understand yourself better.
Analena Fuchs: And with that, give yourself permission. You mentioned the permission slip. To, to be yourself and stop holding back because by playing small, because you think you don't wanna outshine other people. We are not living our purpose here. Right. We're not gonna serve anyone.
Kylie Patchett: Nope. And we are not fulfilling the, and we say like, every single one of our purposes is supposed to be knitted together in this beautiful, you know, collective.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. And when we hold our gifts back, we are leaving a hole in that. And we are not just ripping ourselves off, we're ripping off [00:22:00] everybody who can Benefit from that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Um. I've actually got a quote in front of me that says, stop playing so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.
Kylie Patchett: So I love that you just use that. I always have my, I like doing calligraphy. So pick a, pick a quote to focus on. Um, I'm interested when you were talking before about seeing the body graph for the first time and kind of feeling like you were remembering like that this was a, like, it felt familiar to you.
Kylie Patchett: I'm super interested in whether, 'cause to me, human design is a lot about patterns. Like the way that, because I've, I've always been obsessively obsessed with human behavior because of trauma. I'm trying to figure my own shit out, right? And so when I kind of started learning more about human design and I wanted to tell the story about the, the two different charts and how I realized that I was over identifying, but, um, [00:23:00] the pattern recognition for me is like, oh my God, it is.
Kylie Patchett: I wrote a book about making friends with fear through the lens of mindset chakra, um, five element theory and, um, human behavior coaching. Basically like in 2015 and I, there was seven what I called anti entrepreneurs. And then I started really looking at human design. I'm like, oh my God, these are the seven anti entrepreneurs.
Kylie Patchett: The seven. But they, they have, you know, two of the centers have been split, like from the chakra system To the human design centers. And I'm like, it's all like, it's, it's all pattern recognition and all, all of these modalities layer upon layer upon layer, like this beautiful big apple strudel that make up this big body of understanding.
Kylie Patchett: And I'm like, this is so cool. It's like the blueprint of us.
Analena Fuchs: You shouldn't mention apple roots with German, because now I want one.
Kylie Patchett: Well, I've never had a good Apple Street also. Oh, I have. I have, you've reminded me. You need to give me your bread recipe too, whilst we're, when we're, [00:24:00] when we're finished, I'll, um, so do you feel like it is partly pattern recognition?
Kylie Patchett: Like when you, when you look at a new person's body graph, is that how your kind of first understanding comes from or how does it, how does it work? I wanna be inside of your brain. Ah, it's
Analena Fuchs: very beautiful. There's just something that happens almost like I am accessing my high self. My intuition, when I look at the body graph there is just something there.
Analena Fuchs: Because in the very beginning, you know, in human design you learn this traditional knowledge, which you can read in any textbook. Oh, if you have this center defined, this is what it means. This is undefined at the gates and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And. Especially what you learn about the types, it's very generalized.
Analena Fuchs: Yes. That's not gonna be helpful. I mean, some stuff, yes, but that's not how you're gonna really create huge transformation. It's [00:25:00] really, every chart is so unique and it's also, you need to talk to a person. I'm not gonna just throw a staff at you, and then I'm gonna be like, I wanna know, where are you at? So that's why I bring a lot of coaching into this, being a guide, being a listener, and then diving into some very specific elements in the chart.
Analena Fuchs: And I cannot tell you how I do it because it's intuitive.
Kylie Patchett: Intuitive, yeah.
Analena Fuchs: I'm really more sensing into the energy of the person and the situation, and it's my intention behind the session to really be of highest service to the person. Yeah. That's just so much magic unfolds. Like look, I, I listened to an interview the other day with Madonna.
Analena Fuchs: That she had with Jay Shetty and she was like, yeah. When I do music, I don't think once I start to think it's over. And it's the same for me with human design. Yes. Once I think, forget about it, I'm seeing the most magical stuff [00:26:00] when I'm fully in my body and I'm open to receive, I'm being a vessel. Mm-hmm.
Analena Fuchs: For what wants to come through. Yeah. So it's more about what we wanna teach people is how to become a vessel, how to really trust yourself. How to be open, because I don't know what wisdom is gonna come through you. Mm. To share with another person that's gonna be unique. Yeah. Um, cool. So it's more so being open to that.
Analena Fuchs: So it had a lot to do with being more on our feminine energy. Mm. And then you will know, because all these things happen so magically and synchronistically, how I also attract clients or. How they find me. Sometimes it's not because I follow the marketing strategy. It's kind of like, yeah. I could never have planned that.
Analena Fuchs: You know? Yeah. Just like you and I connected. Yeah, I know, right. You know, we weren't like, uh, okay, I need to connect with somebody to get my message out there, to get on the podcast. Yeah. Like it happened because we have a mutual contact, Erin, [00:27:00] and she trusted her intuition. She felt called to connect the two of us.
Kylie Patchett: Yep.
Analena Fuchs: And it has been a beautiful collaboration so far out of that. Right.
Kylie Patchett: Isn't it funny? I wanna tell that story because I had. I'm trying to reverse engineer because it, it feels like forever ago, but I had been looking more into human design through the tropical chart. I really, really resonated with, you know, we are going top level, but the three line of my, that was like a big, like I have had this story of myself for so many years.
Kylie Patchett: If I could just stick to something, I would be so much further along. And then when you understand the three energy, it's like, no, you are meant to, like, I, the way that I describe three energy to people is like, we need to snack on life to see what tastes good and spit out what doesn't. And and often I'm breaking things in the process to, to learn about it or, you know, learn about myself or like, oh, that's good contrast.
Kylie Patchett: I won't do that again. Like, that's just the way I'm meant to be moving through. Well, so that felt like a big permission slip, but there was [00:28:00] other things that didn't feel right. And then I ended up having a true cerial astrology reading, um, around my birthday, or no, I think it was around April and. I don't even know how finally a light bulb went on.
Kylie Patchett: I was like, hang on a minute. If this true cerial astrology reading feels so much more resonant with who I know myself to be, particularly going into, like, I've just turned 50. So it's like, you know, the years in wisdom, like you really, really, really, really getting to the root of who you actually are underneath all of the stuff that you've been taught to be, right?
Kylie Patchett: And one night I was like, hang on a minute, if human design is based on the, the like tradition, like modern astrology is the way that I would describe it and this true cerial astro, then that means that maybe my human design chart is like, hang on a minute. And I'd only just had that. In my head that that happened.
Kylie Patchett: And Erin texted me one Sunday night and was like, [00:29:00] I think you and Lina should meet because you both talk about Genius. And then I was like, what? She does this different chart? Like it was Yeah. You, you can't make that up. And, and it is a perfect example of like
Analena Fuchs: yeah. And
Kylie Patchett: understanding, dropping in for me and then going, oh, I need to find this out.
Kylie Patchett: And you just appeared in my inbox. So beautiful. Beautiful. I was wondering. Yeah, I, I would love to. So how many years were you, because you were initially using Tropical charts exclusively. For how many years-ish?
Analena Fuchs: It was like three, three and a half years that I was just doing the Tropical, and I had heard about Cyd, something from my teacher before, and I wasn't even slightly interested, you know, my whole, I was a full body, no.
Analena Fuchs: And that, that was my journey at the time, but then it was one of my clients actually. At some point in a mastermind call, she asked about, Hey, I really resonate. Like you were sharing with the true side astrology. Yes. She [00:30:00] had a, I think a IC reading or some side astrology reading. Yes, yes. While some training.
Analena Fuchs: And she was like, wow, this resonates so much. And I could sense her excitement and purity for it. And I was like, Hey, why don't you teach that? Because I don't know much about it. I'm not the expert with idea or anything. Yeah. Yeah. So he did a little bit of, uh, Shia in one of the calls. Yeah. And there was, again, I responded and I was like, there's something there.
Analena Fuchs: And I was like, oh, this is cool. And I started without thinking about it, to be honest, to investigate, to look it up. And then I saw online, oh, there were already people years before me that already had that same thought that you had. And I started, we, and we didn't have this thought. It's just, it dropped into our consciousness.
Analena Fuchs: Right.
Kylie Patchett: Exactly.
Analena Fuchs: Consciousness wants us to realize this. Yeah. And I think I felt like it was like a
Kylie Patchett: boom B, like
Analena Fuchs: knock in the top of my head, like, hello,
Kylie Patchett: this is the [00:31:00] next step.
Analena Fuchs: So, and then I saw already lots of people did it, and then I started to also look, especially more astrology, and I had the same experience.
Analena Fuchs: I looked at my true idea astrology and Wow. That was the first time ever in my life that anything with astrology really resonated. Yes. Because, yeah, I was doing human design and I knew that the astrology is behind it, but I was kind of more, okay, I'm an Aquarius. Okay,
Kylie Patchett: yeah, me too. Yeah.
Analena Fuchs: All right. No, and then I learned actually with this true idea.
Analena Fuchs: What does astrology really mean? Because I'm like, okay, if the newspaper is saying that I'm a Aquarius, then I would think that that means when I was born, the sun was in the sign of Aquarius up in the sky. That would be my, you would think.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. That would be a fair assumption. Alina. Yes. Yeah.
Analena Fuchs: So then I learned, because I, [00:32:00] you know, went a little bit deeper, I like to ask questions.
Analena Fuchs: I like to be accurate. That's something, since I'm a kid, if I'm a penny off, I'll find it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, and I'd rather pay you a penny more than when it's off. So anyways, I was almost shocked because, and I realized when I was born, the sun was in Carrico and I was like, hold on, hold, hold on guys.
Analena Fuchs: Like, what do you mean? Like all these horoscopes and everything, when people on YouTube talk about Pluto as afar and all this kind of stuff, that's kind of not correct, or that's just. What, so I first was a little bit speechless, obviously. Yeah. Like I still feel
Kylie Patchett: speechless.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. And, and then also because I started to talk more about it and people got very like defensive and like, no, but this is right and [00:33:00] this is wrong and you're misinformed.
Analena Fuchs: And, and I was very like, why are you getting so upset? This, this is what resonate with me. I'm not telling you, you can do whatever you like. Um, luckily I had all this awareness from my study with human design and the gene keys and the shadow work that especially when our ego gets triggered, that is not a pretty thing.
Analena Fuchs: You know, because most of us have been over identifying with, I'm an Aquarius, I'm an a Libra, and this is why I do this. Yes. And da da da da. You know? . So for everybody that's listening right now, I wanna explain a little bit more what is the difference between tropical astrology and true astrology? So, tropical astrology, about 2000 years ago when they saw the sun in the sky. Was at zero degree Aries at the spring Equinox.
Analena Fuchs: They fixed that and basically saying like, okay, every year at the same time, the sun is gonna be in zero [00:34:00] degree Aries, so they fix it with the seasons that we humans also created. Right? Yes. Yeah. Now, in reality, there's something called the procession of the equinoxes where every 72 years-ish.
Analena Fuchs: The exact point in the sky where the sun is shifts about one degree. Yeah. No. Like from 72 years in, in, in, or in our lifetime even, let's say we become 150. Yeah. And fire hacking these days. Why not? Um, it's two degrees shift and I mean, who cares? That's probably, I mean, unless you're on the customer or the side, nobody knows kind of, you know.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah, exactly. But over 2000 plus years, it's a little bit of a difference. It's about a whole sign difference. Meaning that every single time when the newspaper says that the full Moon is in X, Y, Z, it's most likely in the sign before that for it. Yeah. If they say the Full Moon is in Aquarius, it's gonna be [00:35:00] in Capricorn.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. They say it's in Capricorn and it's gonna be in Sagittarius. If, if you look up in the sky and there's a lot of people that just like you, that kind of had this realization and so the astrologer a Menti with true side. Yes. He had one of these experiences where he was like, oh, the full Moon is in Gemini, and he was, I think in the desert somewhere in California.
Analena Fuchs: He looked up in the sky and was like. Oh, uh, it's a ta. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: That's not Gemini.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. I think that was his experience. I think he was in Death Valley. That's what it was. So, wow. And many other people had the same experiences and where you have this like shock and you're like, oh my God. I was blindly following something.
Analena Fuchs: But I never even thought about actually looking up in the sky because we have now, of course we have telescopes, but we also have a lot of apps. Yes. You can download for free. You can actually go back to when you were born, see what the sky actually looked like on top of [00:36:00] it. In tropical astrology we have these 12 signs, even 30 degree.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's very convenient, very easy. It's very convenient. Yeah. The way that nature looks like is that the signs or the constellations are actually very different in size. So, for example, Pisces is huge. Virgo I think is one of the biggest areas, is very small.
Analena Fuchs: And there's also a 13th sign, which is called Aika. Yes. And I love that because I think if you look back in history also with Jesus, there's something with a number 13, right? And it's also funny 'cause, so in my tropical shop, my conscious son was the 13. Ah. And there was something like, yeah, it just kind of felt exciting to me.
Analena Fuchs: And also the oass energy in general is about this, this whole rebirth process, right? Kind of where the cater turns into that butterfly. So we were missing that in the old Zodiac was just the 12 [00:37:00] signs and. I'm not an expert, honestly, the astrology science per se, but it's just all made so much more sense to me.
Analena Fuchs: And it was more fitting because everything with human design and whatever tool you're using is for me always to bring you back to your own nature. And we are part of nature. And I think the more we are connected with Mother nature, the earth and the sky and the heavens and everything. That's our surest path.
Analena Fuchs: To align with our own nature and also to be more connected with my intuition. Because the way that I now see in my little, an logic, an logic mind and logic.
Kylie Patchett: I like that. That's a good, we're gonna, we're gonna trademark that and logic
Analena Fuchs: so that tropical is bent. Yes. The way that the planets are in correlation [00:38:00] to each other is correct in terms of like opposition and trines and all of this stuff.
Analena Fuchs: Right. Okay. That was one of my questions. Okay, good. Yes, I get that. That looks the same. So it's not like tropical is completely off, but where it is placed, each planet that is shifted, that is tilted. So yes, for me it's like, and it's too much in the future. Right? It's like if we are in reality in Aries,
Kylie Patchett: yes.
Analena Fuchs: The tropical is already in the next sign. Sign. Yeah,
Kylie Patchett: yeah.
Analena Fuchs: Right. What is it,
Kylie Patchett: Taurus? I don't know. I dunno. I dunno that end of the year very well.
Analena Fuchs: So, um, for me it's like, is this why society is so rushed? Because we're already in the future and we are never in That's, I just about to
Kylie Patchett: say
Analena Fuchs: what is Yeah, always ahead.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. And I, I, I've talked about this and now you're saying it and we never talked about it. So yeah. [00:39:00] I think this is something we are supposed to realize, you know? Yes.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, a lot of, oh, sorry. I just realized, sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you. Um, I just realized also that there's 13 moons in a year as well.
Kylie Patchett: 13 lunar cycles in a year. E
Analena Fuchs: exactly. That's something off top of my plate. You cut
Kylie Patchett: it
Analena Fuchs: up into,
Kylie Patchett: yeah. Weird. Do you know the other thing too, and I think it might've been you who said this on Instagram, and I was like, oh my goodness, because okay, we are 2000 years down the track now. What about in 4,000 years time?
Kylie Patchett: Are we still gonna say we in Aquarius when we're actually in Lepa? Yeah. Like, when is this gonna stop?
Analena Fuchs: That's exactly why I think we are so blessed that. We are becoming aware of this now. Yes. And of course this is gonna trigger the heck out of people. And I hear you. If you're listening to source right now and you have built a business on Tropical On Tropical, I hear you.
Analena Fuchs: I I did the same. I had a business build on tropical [00:40:00] human design. Yeah. And I'm not asking you to resonate with us, we also actually need people to work with the old system. Yes. The tropical,
Kylie Patchett: yeah, yeah.
Analena Fuchs: There's nothing wrong with it. Without the tropical, there wouldn't be the awareness for the true ideal to evolve.
Analena Fuchs: Yes. Correct. So we have to also learn to coexist. Yeah. That's also the polarities in life. Right. Um, but in 8,000 years or 10,000 years or so, it's gonna be in the opposite, in the sky from what it actually is. So it is not sustainable. It is, it's not working. It's not practical, ADA. So, I mean, in my world, it's just.
Analena Fuchs: Let's go back to math. Yes. It just doesn't make, it doesn't make sense to me at this point. But also
Kylie Patchett: let's look at the like the sky is the sky. We can't make the sky look a diff like Yeah, as far as I know, we cannot control that yet, thank goodness. 'cause we'd screw it up. Yeah. So how can we, and you know what is so weird to me?
Kylie Patchett: 'cause I'm like, I am [00:41:00] very happy to not be with the herd. Like that is kind of part of my nature, right? I've got a bit of a status quo. I guess that's why we're having Yeah, exactly. A disruptor in us. But I'm like, there's a collective consciousness thing happening here. Like my whole Instagram feed, I used to follow a few different astrologers, different human design people.
Kylie Patchett: 'cause you know, we all like to go, oh, that's why I am feeling like that. Or that's why my world is going to shit or whatever. But I'm like, how can we all be. Collectively saying that something that isn't true is true and well, I, I, that's how Yeah.
Analena Fuchs: Influenceable we are, right? Yes. So, and look, if that helps you to be more at peace, where you at, I think it actually is great.
Analena Fuchs: Even the tropical. Yeah. And I, I have found also working with human design, so you can have tropical where they're saying right [00:42:00] now that Pluton is Aquarius. It's not, if you look up in the skies, like absolutely not right. Um, to justify certain things. And then other elements in the charts, 11th house energy, which is Aquarian energy, right?
Analena Fuchs: Yes. Um, which is more on the true side idea happening. We, we use that to justify that. So these energies show up in different placements in the chart oftentimes. So I don't think that's. That we did anything wrong there. As long as it's helping us. Yes. But if we are using any system like human design, like astrology to to limit ourselves to, yes.
Analena Fuchs: Oh, I'm doing this because of this. Yeah. I'm doing this not because my sunshine says I cannot do this. Yeah. Or I'm missing this in the chart. So I think it's more about this, but we at the end of the day, have all of the zodiac signs. We have all of the human design elements, the gates and the channels, and the centers, and the types.
Analena Fuchs: It's [00:43:00] a very holistic breathing system. Yeah. And there is nothing wrong with tropical because it has brought us so much wisdom. And again, the way that your birth chart looks like with the Like I was saying with the opposition, and if, if you have a rine or a sex tie, like how the planets are correlated to each other, yes, that is because that creates a certain tension that is exactly the same in Gotcha.
Analena Fuchs: True. Right? Yes. It's just where it's at. It's different with it trying. And then the other thing, we already know this, even just working with Tropical, we have all these different health systems. You have PLAs whole equal, like, you know, you get to decide. There's so many different variations and, and they already has been regular IDE versions, mostly from VA out there, but most of them they still use the 12th Yes.
Analena Fuchs: [00:44:00] Degree. Um, no, not the 12th degree. 12 sign each. Yeah. Because some people may ask what's the difference between side and true side? So for me, the true side. I don't even, when I say it's because of it, it is, that was a body response. Yes. I was so drawn to it and yeah. If I now wanna justify it, it's because it's the most accurate representation of nature.
Analena Fuchs: So it's in a way, astrology, astronomy, physics, and spirituality all in one.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Analena Fuchs: And this astrology now. Yes, you are right. It does change your human design body graph.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is where actually I, I am, I'm gonna go down two tracks. I really want to hear from you because I am often talking to, 'cause I work mostly with clients that identify as being disruptors as well.
Kylie Patchett: So we are building new pathways of things and by definition, being a disruptor or a paradigm shifter means that you are often the one [00:45:00] that goes first, which obviously then. You know, it has, it has consequences potentially. So I'm interested, when you came across this and you were feeling it out for yourself and that you had this body response, it's not like you're like thinking it through by the sound of it, it's like, this feels true for me.
Kylie Patchett: How do you then go out in the marketplace after being like reading Tropical for three and a half years? Like, what is going through your mind as you're like, am I going to be stoned because of the, because there is a lot of human design people that are like, yeah, fully. Um, like when I started going down the rabbit hole, I was reading different things, trying to kind of get a grip on is there such a thing as true cial?
Kylie Patchett: And there was a lot of traditional human design people, like very, yeah. Very triggered, let's put it that way.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and that's, that's normal. So for me, it was kind of a beautiful. Evolution because before I [00:46:00] discovered it, I already had learned from my work, especially with clients and my own experience Yeah.
Analena Fuchs: And really understanding the 64 gates and the gene keys And all of it more depth that we are really a blend of all. So I started to kind of see these types very lightly.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Analena Fuchs: I started to even the, the authority we have all of the authorities, all of us, and, and you can argue with me. Yep. But I, I, I really, I, I felt the truth in that.
Analena Fuchs: Right? Yes. And so I already started to teach some master classes about, you know, how we are all, everything and we are all here to respond. And just because you have an undefined sequel doesn't mean you have no energy. Like, so it was, that was there, but then of course it was a little bit of a. Bold decision on my end.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. Because I was scared, I have to be honest. Yeah. I was scared that, well, this [00:47:00] could blow my whole business, but somehow this inner calling was stronger and I had to do it. And I think one of the things that my audience already knew is that I'm not a hype a person. Like I don't sell you stuff very genuine, just to make a quick hit or something like this.
Analena Fuchs: I'm very genuine. I'm very, integrity is a huge value of mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just share it with them. And somehow my audience, and they have told me this many times, I mean, some of my clients, like, I don't care what you teach. Like I just love everything that you do.
Kylie Patchett: Yes, exactly. I resonate with you.
Kylie Patchett: So, yeah.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. It was more, but, and they even told me that I don't even care if you teach human design or anything else. I just love how you teach, how you do it, your energy, your personality, you know? And that was definitely very helpful. And then of course. As I started to talk about it and share my journey, I got so much feedback positive.
Analena Fuchs: Actually, in my [00:48:00] case, people started to reach out to me and I had a lot of people, they were kind of hiding, I wanna say they're like closet true cerial
Kylie Patchett: people.
Analena Fuchs: Yeah. They were, they were feeling kind of like, you felt like that they did something wrong or they actually thanked me for talking about it because I kind of, I didn't care that much.
Analena Fuchs: I was just like, that's what resonates with me at this point. Yes. I mean, human design taught me to trust myself. So here we go.
Kylie Patchett: Yes, exactly. Myself in, I
Analena Fuchs: mean, I, I'm following my, my freaking sequel and it's telling me to do True. Said you now you're telling me it's wrong. Well, then the system doesn't work, guys. [00:49:00]
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